Someone asked Yunmen, "What is Chan?"
Yunmen replied, "That's it!"
Then they asked, "What is the Dao?"
Yunmen replied, "Okay!"
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"What is the Dao?"
Yunmen replied, "To break through this word."
"What is it like when one has broken through?"
"A thousand miles, the same mood."
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Someone asked Yunmen, "What is Chan?"
Yunmen said, "Is it all right to get rid of this word?"
-from Zen Master Yunmen, Urs App, trans